From: tgpedersen
Message: 59886
Date: 2008-08-28
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_in_Antiquity
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>
> --- On Wed, 8/27/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@... s.com, george knysh <gknysh@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 8/27/08, tgpedersen <tgpedersen@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > I believe
> > Proto-Germanic was Przeworsk-talk, which became the common
> > language of Ariovistus'/ Harjagist' s army,
> >
> > GK: Which Germanic tribe in Ariovistus' army (from those listed
> > in Caesar) was originally "Przeworsk" as to material culture?
>
> Those were Harudes, Marcomani, Triboci, Vangiones, Nemetes, Sedusii
> and Suebi. That would have been the Suebi.
>
> ****GK: But the quintessential Suebi (the Semnones),and many other
> Suebi, were not of Przeworsk, but of Jastorf culture. And we
> can't really say whether Ariovistus was Jastorf or Przeworsk (or
> even Oksywie). The best bet is that he was Jastorf. Here is a
> citation from Shchukin (the best recent authority on Slavic genesis
> BTW, whom you really should read before uttering more of your usual
> inanities about Slavs in Przeworsk: cf.
> http://www.krotov.info/history/09/schukin.html
>
> "The Przeworkers were dragged into the orbit of the actions of
> migrants from the core of the Yastorf culture, who appeared on the
> Main and in Gaul in connection with the westward movement of
> Ariovistus' Germani...This movement is attested in a series of
> archaeological sites in the Elbe-Saale interfluvial area, and on
> the Main. They contain twisted armaments, ceramics, and other
> elements of the Przeworsk and Oksywie cultures [with references to
> Hachmann, Peschel, Godlowski, and Shchukin himself)."
> > and that all other languages of theSomething did. The Tungri arrived in the Northwwest.
> > later Germania were para-Germanic, at the most, and died out.
> >
> > GK: On what do you base the continuing importance of
> > "Przeworsk-talk" in Germania after the collapse of Ariovistus in
> > 58 BCE?
>
> On the conquest of Thuringia, from which the culture spread
> northward.
>
> ****GK: Przeworsk did not spread northward from Thuringia. And in
> the east, what remained of Przeworsk played a consistently
> secondary role.****