Re: Sk. Sarpis- and Oss. Carv

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> On 2008-08-11 19:13, alexandru_mg3 wrote:
>
> > Based on what you can reconstruct *z^- ?
>
> Common sense. If the "elsewhere" reflex of *s is <sh> (= s^), one

would

> expect its voiced counterpart *z^ as a natural intermediate step

between

> *s and the modern affricated palatal stop <gj>. Such a "hardening"

of

> *z^ is commonplace, and is parallelled by the hardening of *� > d

in

> some contexts (whereas its voiceless counterpart has remained
> fricative). I'm not sure which of the two necessary changes -- the
> retraction of the strident fricatives or the stress-conditioned

voicing

> -- was earlier. There are two possibilities:
>
> (1) *s > *s/*z > *s^/*z^ > sh/gj
> (2) *s > *s^ > *s^/*z^ > sh/gj
>
> Piotr
>

is hard to say but maybe the observation below could lead to
something:

1. Regarding the timeframes: a 'first' s^ <sh> appeared from *sj /sy/
much earlier. This is proved by the Romanian Substratum where sy > sh
but, on the other hand, Proto-Romanian has preserved s as s

2. The apparition of sh from sj could leads to the supposition of
another 'older' sh that has appeared from *sw, seems for non accented
positions because we have sw/accented > zero as in vet&

taking your examples:

1.a *serp-en- > e/ya in closed syllable > PAlb *sjar-pe- so we can
well have here a 'older' sh/zh from sj

1.b same if from *sek^s-ti- > e/ya in closed syllable > PAlb *sjak-
sti-

1.c gjalp&r < *sjalp- < *selp- with e/ya again in closed syllable

So *sup-no reconstruction for Albanian needs in this case to be taken
with caution


Marius