Res: [tied] Re: Portuguese GORDO < Latin gurdus < *gWer-?

From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 59538
Date: 2008-07-11

Good! I don't know so many Lusitanian shifts.

so, gWrdo- > Lus. *gurdos > Iberic Lat. gurdus

Could Latin cuniculus "rabbit" represent a Lusitanian *kun- for "dog" ?

JS Lopes

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De: Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>
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Assunto: Re: [tied] Re: Portuguese GORDO < Latin gurdus < *gWer-?



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Subject: [tied] Re: Portuguese GORDO < Latin gurdus < *gWer-?

--- In cybalist@... s.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@ ...>
wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@.. .>
>
> Portuguese/Spanish Gordo "fat" came from Latin gurdus, of obscure
origin, meaning "stupid, rude". Gurdus seems to be related to IE
*gWer- "heavy" (cf. guru, gravis, barys, brutus) but also to Greek
bradys (<*gWrdu ?)
>
> Comments?
> JS Lopes

> That's what I've read too. I've seen a lot of speculation that it's
from Celtic. I'd say, if not from Celtic, then possibly Lusitanian --
but do we know enough to tell which one? If so, where does the ending
come from?

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Celtic should have produced *bardo- from PIE *gwr.(H)do-. Lusitanian
is probably correct, with g- initially from PIE *gw- (medially I
would expect -gg-, since we have the goddess Iccona from *ek^wo-)
and -ur- from PIE *r. (as opposed to Celtic -ar-). The ending -do-/-
da:- was inherited from PIE; see Latin <forda> 'pregnant', Greek
<kládos> 'slip, shoot, young branch'.

DGK

Lusitanian was spoken, among other places, in the upper Guadiana (Anas) valley around the important city of Emerita Augusta (Mérida), which may well have been important as an interface city on the linguistic frontier between Romans and Lusitanians. I think the other important Roman cities in Spain were all on or very near the coast and were either settled by the Phoenicians/ Carthaginians or the Greeks. I don't know how important Caesar Augusta (Zaragoza) or Pompaelo (Pamplona) were in Roman times.


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