> The Senate called the Aedui 'brothers' of the Roman peopleThis is the opposite of what Ariovistus says. If Caesar knows this to
> http://classics. mit.edu/Caesar/gallic.1.1.html 33
> no later than 60 BCE
> http://en.wikisourc e.org/wiki/Letters_to_ Atticus/1.19
> ****GK: As mentioned, this is the letter indicating that
> Magetobriga was fought in 61 BCE. Here, BTW, is a description of it
> in Caesar's own words:
> "If the unsuccessful battle and flight of the Gauls disquieted any,
> these, if they made inquiries, might discover that, when the Gauls
> had been tired out by the long duration of the war, Ariovistus,
> after he had many months kept himself in his camp and in the
> marshes, and had given no opportunity for an engagement, fell
> suddenly upon them, by this time despairing of a battle and
> scattered in all directions, and was victorious more through
> stratagem and cunning than valor." (DBG, 1:40)****
>I think Diviaticus' estimate of 120.000 of the total number of Germani
> Caesar in his consulship 59 BCE
> called Ariovistus 'king and friend'.
> http://classics.mit.edu/Caesar/gallic.1.1.html 35
> That means Ariovistus can not have been at war with the Aedui in 59
> ****GK: Correct.****
> BCE. He must have been elsewhere before that in the 14 years he had
> been without a roof (ie in 72 - 59 BCE).
> ****GK: Before the invasion which led to Magetobriga in 61 BCE,
> there had been other conflicts, with Ariovistus fighting on the
> side of the Sequani. Cf. DBG, 1:31: "Divitiacus the Aeduan spoke...
> ...'there were two parties in the whole of Gaul: that the Aedui
> stood at the head of one of these, the Arverni of the other. After
> these had been violently struggling with one another for the
> superiority for many years, it came to pass that the Germans were
> called in for hire by the Arverni and the Sequani. That about
> 15,000 of them [i.e. of the Germans] had at first crossed the Rhine
> [This "first crossing" is the arrival of Ariovistus GK]. but after
> that these wild and savage men had become enamored of the lands and
> the refinement and the abundance of the Gauls, more were brought
> over [It would have taken some time for this development. Meanwhile
> Ariovistus and his 15,000 took part in the never ending skirmishes
> of the never ending struggle GK]... ... with these the Aedui and
> their dependents had repeatedly struggled in arms [at first with
> Ariovistus' 15,000, and then with him and the imports, as they
> trickled in. Group after group, like the Harudes. It took years.
> "Repeatedly". GK]
> On the other hand, Caesar states'Qua de causa Helvetii quoque reliquos Gallos virtute praecedunt, quod
> http://classics.mit.edu/Caesar/gallic.1.1.html 1
> that the Helvetii were constantly at war with the Germani (ie. in
> the time up to the Gallic War, before 58 BCE),
> ('when they either repel them from their own territories, or
> themselves wage war on their frontiers', Latin 'in eorum finibus')
> from whom they were separated by the RhineCaesar is of course sticking to his story.
> http://classics.mit.edu/Caesar/gallic.1.1.html 2
> In other words the Helvetii were at war with someone, and losing, in
> Southern Germany, an area where they had earlier prevailed.
> Part II, section 3
> ****GK: What Caesar said is this: "these [i.e. the Germani of
> Ariovistus GK] were the same men whom the Helvetii, in frequent
> encounters, not only in their own territories, but also in theirs
> [the German], have generally vanquished, and yet can not have been
> a match for our army." (DBG 1:40) Caesar was attempting to boost
> his troups' morale before the battle with Ariovistus and his
> Germanic auxiliaries. Had the Helvetii been fleeing refugees, this
> would hardly have done the trick.
> But of course, the Helvetii were not fleeing refugees.Are too.
> Cf. also the point made in Cicero's latter toYup. Helvetii trying to flee being stopped. Romans didn't want roaming
> Atticus of 15 March 60: "Atque in re publica nunc quidem maxime
> Gallici belli versatur metus. Nam Haedui fratres nostri pugnam
> nuper malam pugnarunt, et Helvetii sine dubio sunt in armis
> excursionesque in provinciam faciunt."
> I suggest that Ariovistus was active in Southern Germany at theHm. Now George has become the known facts.
> time, colonizing it(?).
> ****GK: The known facts have him colonizing Sequaniland. ****