Re: Delabialization and apical/uvular

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
>
> This is getting interesting.
> From Brøndum-Nielse: Dialekter og dialektforskning:
>
> 'I Bornholmsk
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bornholm
> Moment 10
> c) [r] is in the elderly apical, in the younger generally uvular
> Moment 19 Delabialization occurs (esp. before /w/) [a few examples]
>
> II Zealand
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealand
> Moment 10
> [r] is still in anlaut apical in the older generation. Around Roskilde
> /r/ sometimes disappears in auslaut ...
> Moment 19 Standard Danish w, i and ø, y before w is delabialized /ew/
> /iw/ in the most of Sjælland
>
> III Fyn
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funen
> Moment 10
> Apical [r] still used by the older generation
> Moment 19
> Delabializaton occurs some places in East Fyn and Wesr Fyn before /w/
> and before /m/. Labialization is particularly strong [on S fyn]
>
> IV Jutland
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jutland
> Moment 10
> Apical [r] is used at least by old people everywhere in Jutland;
> however Djursland from ancient times had uvular /R/
> A more or less cacuminal /l/, in its occurrence corresponding to
> supradental /l/ exists in eastern Jutland to N of Randers
> Moment 19
> Delabialization in full extent exists in a central east Jutland area
> (Djurslands Sønder- (ie. southern) herred,
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djursland
> Mols
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mols
> Anholt
> http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anholt
> northern Samsø...)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sams%C3%B8
> Before /m/, east Jutland south of Horsens has delabialization.'
>
> So the only place in Denmark apical /r/ has not been documented as
> existing before present uvular /R/ is the above coastal areas facing
> the same section of the Kattegat; Samsø used to be where the leding
> fleet towards England was assembled.

When are we talking about? All the examples you gave cite apical /r/
as existing in the older generation -- the present older generation or
the past older generation? And are these examples drawn from the
coastal areas facing the same section of the Kattegat?

Delabialization exists in the

> same area. What was the status on the start of delabialization in
> English dialects we discussed recently?
>
>

Delabialization of what are we talking about? Delabialization of /r/?
I thought labialized /r/ was only a feature of North American
English. Or is this about a topic discussed earlier that I have missed?

AJ