From: Rick McCallister
Message: 59050
Date: 2008-06-04
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallisterI get the A-thing. Other have also added lacus/lake,
> <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This resolves the puzzle of the *-k- suffix of
> Latin
> > etc *ped-k- (in
> > pecco: etc) and *man-k- (in mancus): they are
> pre-IE
> > words with pre-IE suffixes loaned by Venetic and
> then
> > loaned from Venetic by Latin,
> > Germanic (before and after Grimm), Celtic etc.
> >
> > Thanx for sharing the article, I appreciate it.
> > Regarding *-k-, it does show up in Basque and
> Trask
> > elaborated on it on the old lists. He also
> > compared/contrasted it to IE *-k-. See the
> archives
> > because I've forgotten the details of what he said
> and
> > don't want to misquote him.
> > *-k- shows up in Iberian as well. See Anderson,
> and
> > many others.
> > *-k- shows up in Nostratic and isn't it one of
> the
> > arguments for its existence?
> > In IE, *-k- and *-sk- seem so ubiquitous as to be
> > native. If I-Ir, Anatolian and Tokharian have it,
> then
> > we can pretty say it's native to IE
> > So, Torsten, you've lost me here.
>
> But in Krahe's river name system all suffixes are of
> the form *-VC-,
> with at least one vowel before the consonant, in the
> ur-/ar- system
> they are of the form -C-, with no vowel. That sets
> the two sytems
> apart. One unrelated thing which proves the non-IE
> nature of the
> ur-ar- system is the occurrence of stems like *Cur-
> with no sign of
> ablaut alternation. I would agree that Krahe's river
> name system is
> IE, the similarity Kuhn finds between the two
> systems, that they have
> many -a-'s in roots, is caused, I think, by a
> mechanism Kuhn wasn't
> aware of: pre-PIE /a/ became PIE /e/o/zero/, the
> ablaut vowel (except
> in a few languages, 'a-languages'). So Old
> European/Venetic was an
> 'a-language' (so Latin 'manus' is also from there,
> and the folk
> etymology mistake, which Sean mentions too, between
> *man- "hand" and
> *man- "diminished", would have taken place in that
> language too). The
> property that unites the ur-/ar-language and Krahe's
> river system/Old
> European/Venetic is a negative one: they don't
> ablaut.
> >
> Torsten
>