Re: The oddness of Gaelic words in p-

At 3:37:11 PM on Monday, June 2, 2008, tgpedersen wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
> <BMScott@...> wrote:

>> At 4:06:51 PM on Sunday, June 1, 2008, tgpedersen wrote:

>>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
>>> <BMScott@> wrote:

>>>> At 6:46:24 AM on Sunday, June 1, 2008, tgpedersen
>>>> wrote:

>>>> [...]

>>>>> Here are some comparanda:
>>>>> Jysk:
>>>>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/30336
>>>>> NWB:
>>>>> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/KuhnText/list.html

>>>>> I have peppered the various entries (from Kuhn) with
>>>>> what I could find in Irish, Welsh and Breton
>>>>> (occurrences in Breton are particularly difficult to
>>>>> explain as loans from English).

>>>> And the very first one completely misses the obvious
>>>> source of Irish <peacadh>, Breton <péc'hed>, and Welsh
>>>> <pechod> (not to mention OIr <peccad>): these are
>>>> borrowings of Latin <peccatum>.

>>> Yes, we've discussed those before, and my answer now as
>>> then is that a derivation from Latin is likely, but
>>> there's the odd chance it goes with the rest of Kuhn's
>>> items.

>> Must be hell to have to worry about suffocating when all of
>> the oxygen in your room just happens to end up near the
>> ceiling.

> Erh? What does that mean?

If you're taking one negligible 'odd chance' seriously, why
not others?

> You begin to sound like that stlatos character

Nah, a wordier version of that Torsten character -- you
know, snarky and a bit elliptical.

> (he doesn't sign his posts, so I don't know his real
> name).

Sean Whalen, I believe.

>>> For one thing, the geminate in Latin bothers me, [...]

>> It's the result of assimilation: *TK > KK is regular in
>> Latin.

> In preverb + verb combinations.

>> Weiss gives as examples

>> *ad-gradior 'approach' > aggredior
>> *ad-causa:- 'charge' > accu:sa:re
>> *ped-ka:- 'sin' > pecca:re,

>> noting Vedic <pádyate> 'falls' in connection with the
>> last.

> And *-ka: is? If that's the general rule, how come there
> are so few geminates in Latin (apart from in preverb +
> verb combinations)?

How common is *TK in any other context?

Brian