From: Rick McCallister
Message: 58894
Date: 2008-05-27
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57"In this case, I think the definition of "Low
> <dgkilday57@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> <gabaroo6958@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Reig Vidal over at Substrate, explained that
> > > Lusitanian is linked archeologically to the Bell
> > > Beaker Culture.
> > > I'm not sure if he's on this list but I hope, so
> he
> > > can elaborate.
> > > Does anyone know that this link to be certain?
> > > As we know, Lusitanian resembles both Celtic and
> > > Italic but, unlike Celtic, maintained /p/. Until
> Reig
> > > posted, my guess was that it came from somewhere
> > > around the Alps, perhaps N. Italy before passing
> into
> > > Spain and that it was probably the same language
> that
> > > Coromines referred to as Sorotaptic and others
> > > (including Lapesa, I think --unless he was
> citing
> > > someone else) termed Ligurian or Illyrian.
> > > Reig explained that Bell Beaker culture was from
> N.
> > > Germany, Benelux, etc. and that's what I had
> seen but
> > > Wikipedia has it all over W Europe.
> > > The dates are about a 1,000 years earlier than
> what I
> > > would have expected for Lusitanian. Given its
> > > closeness to Celtic and Italic, I would have
> expected
> > > that it entered shortly before Celtiberian was
> > > established in Iberia. Maybe c. 1,000 BCE.
> > > I'll you all answer this
> > >
> >
> > Bell-Beaker culture spread so rapidly across
> western Europe that the
> > starting point is hard to determine. If it
> started in the Low
> > Countries, and if we accept Kitson's deduction
> that the Beaker Folk
> > spoke "Alteuropäisch", the Indo-European language
> of Krahe's river-
> > name system, then we might expect Kuhn's
> "Nordwestblöckisch" to be
> > the language spoken by the descendents of those
> Bell-Beaker tribes
> > who stayed at home, the NWB enclave being overrun
> first by Celtic,
> > then by Germanic languages.
>
> AFAIK, there aren't any trace of Celts in the
> Netherlands. NWB must
> have been overrun by Germanic.
>
> Torsten
>
>