Re: a discussion on OIT

--- david_russell_watson <liberty@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> <gabaroo6958@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > We spoke about this earlier on the list
> --satemization
> > seems to be a spontaneous phenomenon.
>
> I recall it differently. Piotr argued that the
> Satem group
> represents a proper genetic grouping, for which see
>

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/17078

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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/19177

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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/27876

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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/13075

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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/13057

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http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/messages/

> 44678?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1 .

Piotr is not the only person on the list.

>
> > It happened in Franco and Ibero Romance. In
> Italian and
> > English there was "chentumization" e.g. Italian
> cento,
> > English church, etc.
>
> The change seen in Italian 'cento' isn't comparable
> to the
> Satem change, for it's conditioned by the frontality
> of 'e',

and /i/

> while the Satem change was unconditioned.

Wrong, it happened to palatovelars, but not to velars.
The phenomenon in Franco and Ibero-Romance also
occured in palatovelars. It is true that palatovelars
in those languages only occured before palatal vowels,
but the process is the same.

>
> > I think Iraqi Arabic also has "chentumization"
> e.g.
> > kalb > chalb
> > So centum represents the more archaic form and
> satem
> > the innovation
>
> Naturally. One would never expect an affricate to
> change
> into a stop.

That's my point

>
> David
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