Re: Who can explain the comparisons?

Dear all

It seems that fixing authonous status to a particular linguistic group in India at this juncture may not yield much as the present genetic enquiries clearly observed paliolithic susbtratum cutting across all linguistic groups. some studies have shown Austro asiatic is the oldest as per their maternal ancestry is concerned and interestingly other studies on Y chromosomes have shown Dravidians are ancient. This suggests that there is no definite conclusion on peopling has evolved yet even through genetic studies.However, Andamanese language gives some insight in accordance with their genetic ancestry that they were the oldest. Until the picture of pre Dravidian substratum is clear as far as India is concerned fixing autothonous to any immigrant neolithic linguistic lineage may be problematic.

sreenathan

Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:

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> > Dear all,
> >
> > Those who think Aryans have come from Urals or
> somewhere else seem to be
> > getting into more and more soup, not palatable one
> at that.
> ============
> Indo-european Indic probably came from Vad, Moksha
> and Alatyr Rivers Valleys
> in Russia
> while Indo-european Iranic came from Dniepr, Dniestr
> southern Russian
> Valleys.
> Indo-european data make it clear
> and Uralic data make it clear as well.
> Where is the problem ?
> Seems like clear water.
> Arnaud
> ============ ===
> > To start with, one would be tempted to say that
> the horse sacrifice of
> > Altai
> > Turks of the Urals is a pre runner of Aryan
> aswamedha. MW would want us to
> > believe that Br Up's Dadhici and Aswin's story is
> a replay of a long
> > tradition in Urals when the man is sacrificed and
> his head is replaced
> > with
> > that of a horse.
> >
> > So long it is fine, before you are stuck with a
> Dravidian language in
> > Urals. Would you want to say that even that is a
> pre runner of Indian
> > Dravidian languages?
> =======
> Dravidian is more entitled than Indo-Iranian to
> claim Autochthony in India.
> It makes no sense to push Dravidian out of India,
> worst of all, in Urals.
> Arnaud
> ============ =
> >
> > Not very comfortable question to answer , right??
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Kishore patnaik
> ========
>
> Everything is clear.
> Dravidian is autochthonous to southern India.
> Indic came from the mid-stream southern bank of the
> Volga River.
> Where is the uncomfortable question ?
> Obvious questions are cake.
> Arnaud
> ============
>
Not quite autochthonous but more so than Indo-Aryan.
There are traces of substrate in S. Dravidian, so
something else was obviously there before.
There is Dravidian substrate in Sindhi, Gujerati and
Rajasthani, so the Dravidian speakers were once in
middle and NW India