Re: Drwnt

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> This puzzles me:
> In Jürgen Udolph
> Die Stellung der Gewässernamen Polens
> innerhalb der alteuropäischen Hydronymie, p. 112,
> I find (my transl.)
> "Already at the beginning of the century J.
> Rozwadowski had pointed to
> onomastic parallels, the oldest attempt AFAIK comes
> from R. Ferguson
> (The River-Names of Europe, London etc 1862, p.
> 141), who - besides
> erroneous results - also connected Drwe,ca/Drewenz
> [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drw%C4%99ca ]
> and Durance/Druentia.
> [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durance ]
> The following names are closely connected with those
> of
> Drwe,ca/Drewenz (zero grade + -nt- suffix and full
> grade + -nt-
> suffix, respectively):
> 1. Druantia, now Durance, left trib. of the Rhône,
> with toponym Druantium and adj. (nautae) Druentici.
> 2. *Druantia, now Drance/Dranse, left trib. of the
> Rhône,
> with three source rivers Drance.
> 3. *Druantia, now Drance/Dranse, trib. of the Lac
> Léman.
> 4. *Druantia, now Drouance, river in Normandy.
> 5. *Druentia, analyzed out of the toponym (Forum)
> Druentinorum in the
> Aemilia.
> 6. *Dru(w)n.tos (or long root vowel ?) in the
> Byeloruss. lake name
> Drywiaty.
> 7. *Dravant- in the present river name Trionto in
> Lower Italy.
> 8. *Dravant- in the (now disused) river name
> Trounsach, 1350
> Trounsach, 1351 dronsach, druonsach, a trib. of the
> Iller.
>
> As the compunds show, zero grade formations with a
> suffix -ant-
> predominate, beside them appear full grade names
> extended with the
> formant *-n.t-, among which - as W.P. Schmid has
> shown - zero grade is
> frequent. The geographical distribution should be
> noted: the three
> East Prussian and Byelorussian names, beside a
> number of occurrences
> in Italy and Normandy, are matched by three
> hydronyms in Southern
> France and Western Switzerland."
>
> OK, so typical Old European, ie. in this
> interpretation Venetic names.
> How come these are left out of the list:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Derwent
> eg this one
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derwent_Water
> (in which there is mysterious fish called the
> vendace
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coregonus_vandesius
> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/vendace
> )?
>
>
> Torsten
>

Derwent is from the Celtic word for "oak", right? BUT
it's a compound word < dVr- "tree, etc." + went. So
are you saying Derwent et al represent "beloved tree"?
and vendace "beloved fish"? --I would have guessed its
skin was made into bags for Vendôme and Versace
boutiques ;>