Re: An Italic Europe?

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
> <BMScott@...> wrote:
> >
> > At 4:11:00 PM on Monday, May 12, 2008, tgpedersen
> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57"
> > > <dgkilday57@> wrote:
> >
> > >> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen"
> > >> <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > >>> How about Wend- names in Britain?
> >
> > >> Does Hans Kuhn mention any?
> >
> > > No, the Kuhn article I referred to mentions
> Wend- names
> > > only in Northwestern Germany. In general Kuhn
> doesn't seek
> > > to involve British toponyms, staying with
> appellatives and
> > > personal names (presumably on the assumption
> that those
> > > would have come along with the Saxon invasion).
> >
> > >> If there are none, the presumption is that
> there were no
> > >> enclaves of peoples still calling themselves
> Veneti in
> > >> Britain, all of them having been assimilated by
> Celts.
> >
> > > How about
> > > Wendover http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendover
> >
> > From Prim. Welsh *wïnn + duBr 'bright water(s)'.
>
> Do you have some early instances?
>
>
> > > Wentbridge
> >
> > 'Bridge across the river Went'; according to
> Watts, the
> > river-name is from PrWelsh *winet or *wine:d, from
> Brit.
> > *ueneto- or *uene:tio, akin to Welsh <gw^en>
> 'smile, mirth,
> > favor', ON <yndi> 'charm, delight, joy', OE
> <wuno:dsam>
> > 'pleasant', etc., all from PIE *wen- 'desire,
> strive for'.
> > The idea would appear to be 'pleasant (stream)' or
> the like.
>
> And so, it has nothing to do with *Weneto-, the
> people?
>
> > [...]
> >
> > > Do the various places in Winter- have a good
> etymology?
> >
> > Yes. In names like <Winterbourne> and
> <Wintersett> the
> > first element refers to the season ('stream that
> runs in
> > winter', 'fold used in winter'); in names like
> <Winterton>
> > and <Winteringham> it goes back to a masculine
> name <Wintra>
> > or *<Winter>. These two types cover just about
> everything.
>
> Erh, hm.
> And this proves they had nothing to do with
> *Weneto-?
> What's that kind of stream which runs in Winter and
> not in Summer?
>
>
> Torsten
>

One that doesn't freeze over in the winter --compared
to those that do. Perhaps it has mineral salts or is
located next to anti-freeze factory ;p