--- tgpedersen <
tgpedersen@...> wrote:
Zarubintsi was broken up by
> > Sarmatian and Aorsan assaults in the mid-1rst c.
> CE.
>
> Nasty Aorsans. Are you sure it was that late?
****GK: There were earlier assaults (in the mid-1rst
c.BCE) by Yazigi, co-ordinating with Burebista's
Dacians (who then burned the Greek city-state of
Olbia). But the Zarubinians recouped (as did the
Olbians). The Yazigi then migrated to Hungary. The
vacuum was apparently filled by Aorsans streaming
across the Don and Dnipro. Their furious attacks on
central Zarubinia destroyed most of the fortresses on
the middle Dnipro. This is generally dated as ca. 50
CE. By the end of the century Aorsans (and other
Iranic nomads) buried their dead in the old territory
of the Zarubinians as`far north along the Dnipro as
the Ros' basin and even further.****
>
>
> > As a result, its western component (in the area of
> the
> > upper Pripet), largely C/I/Yast. with Milograd
> > admixture, migrated south to Galicia, where it
> mixed
> > with incoming Przeworkers and Dacians.
>
> OK, so this coud be the later Slavs, or rather
> Wends?
> Did you realize you just said 'migrated south'?
*****GK: Some archaeologists did think that the mixed
culture which evolved out of the interplay of
Przeworkers, Dacians, and incoming Zarubinians (in
Galicia) after 50 CE (called the "Zubretska" culture)
was Slavic, but Shchukin's analysis has likely
eliminated the scenario. He argued very persuasively
that the "Slavic" settlements allegedly found there
(originally dated as of the 3rd and 4th century) were
actually much later, and contained archeological
"rubbish" from earlier epochs. Zubretska BTW changed
into Chernyakhiv in Gothic times...
And the Zarubinians of the Pripet did migrate
southward. This is proved 100%.The evidence is
overwhelming.*****
>
>
>
> > The vacated
> > territory was subsequently occupied by
> Welbarkers(a
> > century later). Central "north Bastarnia" was
> nearly
> > wiped out by 50 CE and its population dispersed
> > towards the north and northeast. Some may have
> reached
> > Finnic territories,but most just melted into the
> > "BaltoSlavic area".
>
> Could they be the Eastern Balts?
****GK: Shchukin argued that the ethnic "goulash" (if
I can so call it) was proto-Slavic. There were "Balts"
or "Baltoslavs", Germanics, Celto-Venetics, "Thrakoid"
Scythian remnants. Somehow, out of this Slavic
emerged.****
> >
> >
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balto-Slavic_languages
> >
> > As a non-linguist I can't say much about this
> issue.
> > But I know of no evidence historical or
> archaeological
> > to suggest that the Slavs existed as a distinct
> group
> > much earlier than the 1rst c.CE.
> >
>
>
> Torsten
>
>
>
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