Re: That old Odin scenario ...

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> > >
> > > Could you name them? I'm reading Okulicz and
> Gol/a,b on the
> > > subject and would like to see the geographical
> context.
> >
> > GK: The basic Baltic culture north of Milograd
> is
> > called "the stroked ceramic culture" in my
> sources.To
> > the east of Milograd, there was the "Yukhnov
> culture".
>
> And in what way were they Baltic?

****GK: As I remember, archaeologists used the
"retroactive parentage" method, starting from the time
when historical documents verified the existence of
Baltic tribes, connected these to the material remains
of the documented epoch, and then sought these
remains' earlier culture sources. The easiest linkage
was with the "stroked c.culture". The Yukhnov culture
had disappeared in the early first millennium CE, but
its area, now occupied by Slavs, was filled with old
Baltic hydronyms and toponyms.****

>
> > I remember reading a good book by Marija Gimbutas
> > ["The Balts"]which is probably still relevant on
> this
> > issue. Newer literature has not altered the
> > basics.
>
> Great read. I read it some years back.
>
>
> > > > It is nearly identical to the Pidhirtsi
> culture of Ukraine
> > > > (considered Baltic),
> > >
> > > Wikipedia claims Mylohrad and Pidhirtsi are
> other names for
> > > Milograd, which by some claimed to be Baltic, by
> others to be
> > > Slavic.
> >
> >
> > GK: Maybe "BaltoSlavic" would be best. BTW
> > Milograd/Pidhirtsi were Herodotus' "Neuri"
>
> Now you confuse me. Are Milograd and Pidhirtsi
> separate cultures, and
> if yes, where were they situated?

****GK: Actually they are the same culture, straddling
over two contemporary state territories. The chunk in
Belarus is called "Milograd", and that in Ukraine
"Pidhirtsi" (by reference to the localities where they
best(or first, I don't remember which)appeared.
"Pidhirtsi" was the culture of the Kyiv area
(contacting with the "Scythian" culture) before the
arrival of the Zarubinians.****

>
>
> Torsten
>
>
>

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