Re: That old Odin scenario ...

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

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> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> > The worst effect of the behemoths is that they draw attention away
> > from what I'm trying to say, which is that Odin took his troops to
> > the Proto-Slav Milograd culture, and migrated with some of those
> > guys to the Przeworsk area. This was the beginning of the
> > dispersal of the Germanic and Slavic languages.
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> ****GK: Most Milograd ended by the 3rd c. BCE (fodder
> for Zarubyntsi). The Wikipedia article is misleading
> as to the "end date" since only insignificant
> scattered settlements of Milograd survived for a few
> centuries in the Belarus woods (hardly Slavic yet).

Zarubyntsi it is then.
I can't figure out from the Wikipedia article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarubintsy_culture
whether Zarubyntsi is a successor to Milograd or a competitor?

> It's been a long time since I've read something as
> irrelevant to anything as the Torsten lines penned
> above...I guess you've definitively shot your bolt,
> and have decided to return to your Odin mantra.

Chernyakov, the successor to the Zarubyntsi (on its territory)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernyakhov_culture
must have been at least bilingual Slavic/Gothic, right?

Why is Przeworsk and Zarubintsy seen as one complex
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zarubintsy_culture
if there was absolutely no exchange of upper crust?
And how do you get (according to orthodoxy) a Germanic-speaking and a
Slavic-speaking culture to be part of the same complex? That doesn't
make any sense. What would make sense is for both of them to be
bilingual, Germanic-speaking upper class, Slavic-speaking farmers. It
would even explain some the historical mutual attitudes of them.
Perhaps now I understand why you're so much against using those
Medieval chroniclers as source material.

Also, what I can't understand is that if the only thing that separates
the Lubieszewo graves from their surrounding culture is the expensive
Roman grave goods, why can't they be related to the graves further
east which are characterised by similar Roman grave goods? One book I
read drew up a shortlist of candidates for possible origin of the
Lubieszewo graves: 1. Romans, 2. East Germani, 3. Celts. No eastern
candidates. Why?

> Nothing else really matters does it? Take a tip from
> Rick and study the history of the Bosporan Kingdom.
> Its ruling dynasts (from the time of Tiberius) all
> bore the name "Iulius Tiberius" to honour their
> sovereign patrons...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosporan_Kingdom

> And we know the identity of the Don tribes of that time.

They were?

Too bad we don't seem to know the kings of the Bosporan Kingdom
between Paerisades II (from 283 BC) and Pharnaces (from 63 BC).
Do we know the history of the Dandarians and their knigs?

> No room for Odin here. But
> we've been through this before.You just won't quit
> will you? There's no dead horse left to flog, so
> you're whipping the bones and the dust, and I can see
> that you will be whipping them forever, no matter
> what.*****

Etc, etc. There's a poet somewhere in you, George.


Torsten