Re: Djilas

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From: "tolgs001" <george_st@...>

>And I underlined the emperor Constantine VII. Porphyrogenitus (Constan-
>tin al Saptelea Porfirogenetul). This Greek monarch wrote one of the
>stories around anno Domini 950 stating that one of the highest ranks
>within the proto-Hungarian ruling class was called gyula (the genuine
>Greek spelling of the word has to be looked up in "De administrando
>imperii" or in any book that faithfully transcribes the spelling from
>Greek into latin fonts).
> Do we know
>from all sources that the Hungarian duke as well as all the ruling
>class ("the upper-crust") was Turkic-speaking (namely Khazar and
>Onogur)? We know.
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Dear George
You make many unsubstantiated claims with no references.
Onogur is not even a word with a clear etymology.
I suppose there are ten unconvincing proposals.
Arnaud
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>>I didn't say that Gyula was Romanian I said that the Name Gyula is
>>originated from the Latin Iulius/Iulianus based on the Albanoid
>>transformation yu > gy Is all I have said.

>And this is wrong.

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Turcic LWs into Hungarian show that *gy is from *dz^
You need dz^ in gyula < *dz^ula.
Be it Albanoid or not.
Arnaud
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>And I re-repeat: Gyula is the modern Hungarian name, that is:
>today's pronunciation. Nine centuries ago it was different -- a fact
>illustrated by various spellings given by various Hungarian documents,
>by Greek documents and by Arab and Iranian documents. (I am
>not sure whether at least one old Armenian source as well.) So,
>from various sources (look them up on your own!) you can read
>that there was no real Julius there but in your own projections only.
>That means that I'd have to copy and paste for you the entire
>paragraphs which are written in Greek! I don't have them.

You (=George) make unsubstantiated unverifiable claims again.
Arnaud
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>It is not: Gyula is a name in MODERN & CONTEMPORARY Hungarian. How
>many times should I repeat this to you? The genuine name no one knows
>how it was pronounced correctly -- Gila or Yula.

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I don't think there is a single example of #ju > gyu in Hungarian.
Quite obviously, you (=George) have never looked at Hungarian etymology.

Arnaud
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