Re: Magyar uveg <-> Romanian uiag&

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 57966
Date: 2008-04-24

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Alexandru Moeller <alxmoeller@...>
wrote:
>
> alexandru_mg3 schrieb:
> >
> > u-veg have different 2 syllables either.
> > u-ya-ga also
> > (v&-)-du-wa also
> > (m&-)-du-wa also
> >
> > I don't see any difference
>
> you don't see any because you compare with the actual Hungarian
form
> üveg. Look, I already said that if the form has been *uwega, then
the
> the stress shuold have been on "e" and the Romanian speakers
perceived
> the "uw" as long "u" which was reduced _naturaly_ in their language
to a
> neutral "u".

1. Is not sure at all that the Ossetic apaka: became awaka
p>w in Ossetic? Can someboddy confirm or infirm this?

More probable: apaka: > apka > avga (that is more probable to be
the case)

(something like lucta > lupta in Romanian > luft& in Albanian)

If their is no p>w in Ossetic the *awega topic is closed....


2. Even in a supposed *uwega the original syllables were also u-we-
ga (and not u:-e-ga or uw-e-ga)

The cluster uwV is preserved in Romanian as u-wV:
m&-d'u-wa and
v&-d'u-wa


3. Next the accent in uveg is on u not on e ==> is 'u-veg so your
accented e is not there , at least not today

4. even so, a supposed trisillabic *u-é-ga is not natural at all
canot exist like this or cannot stay tri-syllabic :
This will shortly come wé-ga > Proto-Romanian vje-ga (viezure)
or if a later loan wé-ga > Late-Romanian vega


5. Finally, regarding the e/accented > ye or e/accented > ea (see
below)

II.
> > I "cannot see" any ye in cle's,te /kle'shte/. Can you?
> >
> > Trust me that e/accented > ye/ya is ended Before Slavs Arrival
> >
> >
> > Marius
>
>
> in "cleshte" the vocal in the next syllable is an "e", not an "ã".
> The dipfhtongation and yotacisation of "e" when followed by "e"
stoped
> before the arrival of the slavs. The diphtongation of "e" or
> yotacisation of it whenn followed by "ã" in the next syllable
appers to
> have worked long time after it.
> Alex

You mixed
e/accented>ye (in all the contexts)
with
e/accented>ea and o/accented>oa (in some contexts)


But even so:

--> the first one, ended End of Roman Times: fier, miere, vi(e)at,&

--> and the second one affected also the Oldest Slavic layer but only
that layer (in fact this is one of the main criterias to identify the
oldest Slavic Loans)

==> see poal& BUT clopot etc...

Marius