>"tolgs001" <george_st@> wrote:
[fullquote deleted; the forever posting of fullquotes is ignoring
the netiquette; one ought to abide by the recommendations
contained in the netiquette]
>REMINDER-2: George, For "gyula" = a high nobility rank "
>remains to quote the ATTESTED Turkic Gyula in Alba-Iulia
All historians regardless of nationality and faith deem the Gilas
as Turkic (or Turkish) -- whether Onogur kinship of the king, or
whether belonging to the Petchenek branch of the Oguz Turks.
No real Hungarian historian deem them as Hungarians in the
sense of Magyar.
Have a look at three citations by three Romanian contemporary
authors. The texts contain the names of the medieval European
authors relevant for the "Gyula" rulers of Transylvania. The main
versions pertaining to Gyula's ethnicity: (a) Tuhutum's descendants
(i.e. Onogurs); (b) other origin, but from the same Onogur upper-
class (Kavar extraction also possible); (c) Petchenek.
No one of them dared advance the hypothesis "rex Iulus" were a
Romanian, i.e., neither the book edited in 1988 by army
general-lieutenant dr. Ilie CEAUSESCU (a historian), dictator Nicolae
Ceausescu's own brother! (The quotation number two in the text
with the URL below.)
To avoid abusing this mailing-list, I copied the excerpts here:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhpdb6qv_0gxt8t94k
George