Re: On the ordering of some PIE rules

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

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> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/4cqyqb
> > > > '... ist ... das Elbgebiet nicht repräsentativ für die Gräber
> > > > vom Typ Lübsow. ... Bezüglich der fehlende Fürstengräber vom
> > > > Typ Lübsow im Rhein-Weser-Gebiet macht er darauf aufmerksam,
> > > > dass sich dies nicht unbedingt aus der Sozialstruktur erklären
> > > > lässt; die römischen Historiker sprechen nämlich von einem
> > > > Adel auch dort. Der Verf. erhebt somit die Frage, ob die
> > > > Gräber vom Lübsow-Typ neben ihrer sozialen Aussage auch eine
> > > > Kulturelle Erscheinung seien.'
> > > > " ... the Elbe area [is] not representative of the Lübsow type
> > > > graves ... Wrt. the the lack of princely Lübsow type graves in
> > > > the Rhine-Weser area [the author] points out that this cannot
> > > > necessarily be explained from the social structure; the Roman
> > > > historians speak of a nobility also there. The author thus
> > > > raises the question whether the Lübsow type graves beside
> > > > their social statement might also be a cultural
> > > > phenomenon."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://tinyurl.com/4ajzl8
> > > > 'Lübsow-Gruppe
> > > > Gruppe germanischer Gräber des 1. und frühen 2. Jahrhunderts
> > > > in Nordböhmen, Großpolen, Pommern, Mecklenburg und Dänemark.'
> > > > "Lübsow Group
> > > > group of Germanic graves of the 1st and early 2nd century in
> > > > Northern Bohemia, Wielkopolska, Pomerania, Mecklenburg and
> > > > Denmark"
> > > >
> > > > I don't think my scenario is in trouble here.
> > > >
> > > > Torsten
> > >
> > > GK: What exactly is your scenario at this stage?
> >
> > Let me see if I can express it on a way that won't incur your
> > wrath again:
> > That an upper crust from wherever in the Przeworsk culture at some
> > time in the first century BCE moved to Denmark for what ever
> > reason under no particular leader?
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> ****GK: Nothing for which there is credible evidence
> would "incur my wrath".

Exactly. I'm in a Scheherazade type situation here. I can talk about
the subject as long as you find it interesting. When you don't, I
can't. The moderatorial injunction about me ever mentioning Thuringia
again has never been rescinded.

> What is your evidence for this assertion?

Obviously the same class of people who were buried separately in their
princely graves must have been present at some time in the 1st and
early 2nd century in Northern Bohemia, Wielkopolska, Pomerania,
Mecklenburg and Denmark, since that is where those graves were found.
The reason I want to impose a temporal sequence on that you already know.

> Is there something in Danish archaeology which indicates the
> presence of Przeworkers there in the first c. BCE (as there is for
> Thuringia and the Wetterau?)****

At least the Hoby find
http://tinyurl.com/5kxt3n
http://www.natmus.dk/sw22086.asp
can be placed close to the first cent BCE. But I think I'll have to
settle for a scenario where the invasion into Scandinavia might be up
to a century younger than the Ariovistus episode, and that the two
events have been conflated in oral history. Official Danish
archaeology thinks there wasn't an invasion, but then, as far as
they're concerned there never was at any time and age.

And I'm still waiting for the library books.


Torsten