Re: Magyar uveg <-> Romanian uiag&

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 57882
Date: 2008-04-23

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From: "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>

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>> Indeed ü < a in Hungarian looks hard to get,
>> üveg < *uvink/*ovink looks possible.
> >
>> Arnaud

>BUT The Ossetic word considered as the source of the Hungarian one
>is /avg/ < */apaka:/
>So there is no word *uvink/*ovink...
>From where you reconstruct it, as a 'bottle (glass)'?
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The derivation *apaka: > *üveg is clearly impossible :
what are the cause for ü and the the cause for -v- ?

*uvink/*ovink are proposals as proto-forms.

>
>> The sequence uj "new" exists in Hungarian and seems stable.
>> Arnaud
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> I agree that could be an issue this one, but not so big as a- > ü-.

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It's the same issue.
A.

> Maybe my supposed (added) -w- is not correct above.
> If the original form was u-ya-(g&) we need to count for the output
>of a Hungarian sequence *u-y'a- or *u-y'e (a>e being regular at least
>in Hungarian loans).
> *u-y'a- or *u-y'e 'is not quite the same' with uj
> Marius
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The problem is neither *apaka: nor *uyaga can become *üveg.
Nor the reverse.

Arnaud
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