Re: On the ordering of some PIE rules

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> > > What did you mean by 'vaguely Sarmatian'?
> > >
> >
>

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/31974

> >
> > GK: At that time(2004) I used the term
> "Sarmatian"
> > more loosely, for all "non-Scythian" Iranic
> > populations of the Eurasian steppes (minus the
> Yuezhi
> > I think). By "vaguely Sarmatian" I meant a
> solitary
> > object vaguely similar to such as could be found
> in
> > identifiably "Sarmatian" graves. One occasionally
> > finds such objects in "non-Sarmatian" burials.
> They
> > are meaningless from the point of view of ethnic
> > identity, just as a Roman sword or helmet in an
> > otherwise Germanic grave would not necessarily
> > indicate that a Roman was buried there, even
> though in
> > the latter case the similarity was much more than
> > "vague"...
> > >
>
> Let me rephrase.
> Can those objects which appear in the Lubieszewo
> graves be placed in a
> morpho-temporal sequence such that preforms of them
> exist already in
> pre-Roman Przeworsk non-princely graves (I'm trying
> to sound like a
> German archaeologist here), or do they (or some of
> them) appear to
> represent something new and hitherto unknown?
>
>
> Torsten

****GK: One would have to study the objects very
specifically. In truth, there is nothing in the Polish
Wiki descriptions which suggests dramatic discoveries
after such analyses, at least not in the actual six
Lubieszewo princely graves discovered 100 years ago or
so:

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubieszewo_(powiat_gryficki)

We have inhumations in wooden chambers, covered or
circled by stones, under kurgans. The mentioned
objects are bronze wine goblets, silver and glass
vases (with depictions of gladiatorial contests in
Rome) and "many local products" (presumably of the
type which would be found in non-princely graves). A
"local Germanic dynasty" they say.

These graves were connected to the so-called Gustow
culture:

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cmentarzysko_w_Lubieszewie

dated ca. 1rst c BCE- 1rst c CE (roughly)

The Gustow group is considered intermediary between
Wielbark and Elbe.

http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grupa_gustowska

No "eastern" influences noticed.****

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