--- In
cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "david_russell_watson" <liberty@>
> wrote:
> >
> > *H1ek^wo- perfectly withstands careful analysis, with the
> > irregularity of the Greek form being the sole exception.
>
> And the Greek forms in question, Attic etc. <hippos>, Epidaurian
> <hikkos>, can be understood as borrowings from P-Illyrian and Q-
> Illyrian respectively, if we assume that Illyro-Japygian reflected
PIE
> *H1e- as *hi-, which accords well with the Messapic verb <hipades>
> being compounded with the equivalent of Greek <epi->.
>
> Douglas G. Kilday
>
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Douglas,
Do you have any other evidence for reflexes of *h1 in Illyro-Japygian
than ths two rather shaky ones? Your claims seems revolutionary for
the laryngeal theory!
So how could the word have shown up in P-illyrian according to you?
Finnish HEPO/HEVO- and HEVO-(I)NEN 'horse' comes from Middle Proto-
Finnic *s^epo- (short -e-) later *xepo/xevo- > he-. It has no
accepted loan or other etymology. I describe the problem also in
message 57405. See also the thread behind message 46398 where some
cognates are listed (you may ignore the reconstruction and link
provided, which are nonsense).
The Finnic /-p-/ cannot be a substitute for a geminate -pp-. There is
some flexibility in what initial *s^- > *x- > h- may substitute
because it was the only initial fricative available. Note though that
initial PIE *h1- has been substituted by /k-/ rather than /s^/ e.g.
fi kesä 'summer' <= PIE *h1es-en- > Blt/Slv. *eseni- 'autumn' ~ *h1os-
en-/-er- > Goth asans 'summer'.
But then again who knows what *h1 had become in P-Illyric...
At best terribly speculative. Probably not even possible, the
geminate does not fit in any event, if it was geminate. And is there
additional proof for a laryngeal reflex in Illyric??
Jouppe
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