Re: Horse Sense (was: [tied] Re: Hachmann versus Kossack?)

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 57209
Date: 2008-04-13

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From: "Richard Wordingham" <richard@...>

>> Greek is hippos, ippos
>> Anatolian is Indo-iranian asuwa

>I think you are referring to Luwian á-zú-wa, Lycian _esbe_. But
>Luwian is known for its Satem shift - as far as I know, we still don't
>have any good indication as to what the Hittites said for 'horse'.
>(They wrote it with a Sumerogram.)
-known- ?
Melchert does not make that kind of over-committal statements.
The reading -su- or -zu- in this word is not even certain.
>> Now I know you will come up with your theory that kw is not k+w,
>> which I consider as learned flapdoodle.

>k^+w is k^w.
>k+w is kw; it is not kW or k^w.
>As to what *kW is, well I don't think that is clear. It may be a
>labialised velar, or it may be a very tight cluster. The idea that it
>is a labiovelar as in the IPA chart has very few takers.

Chinese for quick, rapid is *kwai4 < *khwos
It has a very strange look-alike with H1ekwos.
I think it may well be a LW from IE into Chinese.
Apparently Chinese heard kw.

But in *kuH2on "dog" they heard two syllables : quan2 < kuhon.


> This reconstructoid just does not work.
> There is no Horse word in that protolanguage.
> Horses were domesticated after PIE split.

Did *wlkWo- (possibly actually *wlpWo-) 'wolf' refer to a domestic animal?

There are no horses in Anatolia where PIE originates.

*wlkwo refers to a wild animal.
The domesticated one is *kuH2on, or *do?k or *di?k,