From: tgpedersen
Message: 56926
Date: 2008-04-06
>...
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@> wrote:
> >
> > Some clarifications.
> > --- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Sez who? Goscinny? Uderzo? You can't change the fact that the
> > > > Chatti archaeologically aren't Celtic.
> > > > Torsten
> > > > ============
> > > >
> > > > I suppose I may have overlooked
> > > > a reference pointing to this.
> > > > Please give it again.
> > >
> > > Once more:
> > > "
> > > > O. Uenze left the old thought patterns in a different manner.
> > > > He observed, that the North Hesse group of the early Latène
> > > > period could not with any certainty be called either Celtic or
> > > > Germanic.
> >
> > ****GK: If we are to believe Hachmann, the group
> > called "Chatti" in the 1rst c. CE was not yet in North
> > Hesse in "early La Tene". They were still north of the
> > Lippe r. which was the boundary between "Germanic" in
> > any sense (incl NWB) and "neither Celtic or Germanic".
> > We don't know what they were called. We don't know
> > what the "neither Celtic or Germanic" population south
> > of the Lippe was called. Were the northerners already
> > "Chatti"? Were the southerners "Chatti" in the 5th c.
> > BCE? We don't know.****
>
> Going by their name, the geminated 'Chatti', the northerners would
> be linguistically NWBlock speakers.
>
> > > > According to him, they were a tribal group with local
> > > > characteristics [O. Uenze, Vorgesch. der hessischen Senke
> > > > (1953) 26]. By that he implied that the scheme delivered by
> > > > historical linguistics doesn't always correspond to what
> > > > actually happened, but didn't yet find the nearest solution. "
> > >
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/56384
> > >
> > > Torsten
> > >
> Wrt. gemination: Any PIE *-tt- becomes *-ss- in Celtic, Germanic andYet another form to confirm this 'cluster': for 'Tubanti'
> Italic; the only way a *-tt- could exist in those languages is by
> later composition (or by positing derivation from undetectable
> phonemes like Arnaud does). But we have a strong suspicion that the
> word 'Chatti' is cognate with Celtic Cassi, Latin Gens Cassia, their
> alternative name Kennoi and *-hant- in Twente and Drente. The
> solution that satifies all these demands is that the Chatti were
> NWBlock-speaking NWBlock people driven out during Elbe Germanic
> expansion into their old areas.