Re: Side issue: the Yastorf Gubin group

From: george knysh
Message: 56788
Date: 2008-04-05

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:


> >
> > while
> > > in Northeast
> > > Bohemia and even in Eastern Romania groups from
> the
> > > North settle
> >
> > GK: Who are they? Does he elsewhere say?
> This is what I could find in Kossack. No mention of
> Romania.
>t.
> '
> "On wide stretches as always all that's available
> when considering
> such problems wrt. settlement history is the period
> of use of the
> cemeteries, which presupposes that in the normal
> case there was a
> fixed correlation between use of cemetery and
> settlement continuity.
> It should be said that the grave fields offer a
> pretty one-sided
> picture, since the Celtic comparata practically
> disappears; for with
> the Celts it was no longer custom in late Latène
> time to to bury the
> dead with grave gifts in closed cemeteries 29. The
> grave fields of the
> Plan^an type therefore seem to again and again have
> been founded anew,
> this also, presumably, a sign of the rupture with
> old traditions.
> Still, also here there are again connecting details
> between Celtic and
> Germanic: As late as Roman imperial times one finds
> the grave
> surrounded with a rectangular framing of small
> graves. The duration of
> use of the early Germanic says unfortunately just as
> little about the
> state of affairs in the settlements as their first
> appearance does.
> This is because, unlike the settlements, the grave
> fields have only
> been used a short time. Anyway, only in a few
> instances 31 do they
> become those extensive Elbe Germanic cemeteries
> which in Thuringia as
> in Bohemia (Dobr^ichow group) are situated at yet
> again different
> locations. From all that, one thing can be concluded
> with certainty:
> the change from the two different cultures, or, in
> other words, the
> entry of the Germani into the zone between Main and
> Upper Elbe brings
> a time of change and exchange 32, a time of
> transition, not yet with a
> stable order, but with the beginnings of that rapid,
> but long-lived
> development, which finds expression in the Elbe
> Germanic culture of
> the early Roman imperial time (stage B 1).
> "
> '
> 29 W. Krämer, Germania 30, 1952, 330 ff.
> 30 Altböhmen und Altmähren 2, 1942, 149 Abb. 11
> (Trebusitz, Bez.
> Schlan). Vgl. dazu als ein Beispiel für viele
> Germania 39, 1961, 197
> Abb. 1 u. Taf. 35 (Wederath, Kr. Bernkastei).
> 31 Z. B. Tis^ice (Bez. Brandeis), Arch. rozhledy 9,
> 1957, 82 ff.
>
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****GK: Perhaps he meant the Quadi,and "Eastern
Romania" is a slip. We know the Gepids, Goths and
Vandals reached Dacia, but that was much later.****





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