From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 56778
Date: 2008-04-05
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From: "Anders R. Joergensen" <ollga_loudec@...>
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> Osl has menogu "viel" which works
> Germanic looks like a LW in that case.
> Arnaud
>I guess you mean mUnogU? It may have both older *-g- and *-gH- (of
>which the latter is slightly less complicated, as there is no
>Winter's lengthening).
>ARJ
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No, it proves nothing.
Kobyla is short too. (< ka?pu?l-)
LAtin iuba "mane" which I consider a LW from Eastern PIE
based on *dzo?p- "tuft of hair" is short too.
Eastern buz "bock" is short too.
mUnogU is not contradictory with mene-kk-i
Germanic manag- is the outsider here. (NWB ?)
Arnaud
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>So not really convincing. OIr. menicc, W mynych must reflect PCelt.
>*menekki-. The -kk- is usually explained as "expressive" (or whatever
>word one would use) which seems OK in a word of such meaning.
>ARJ
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I precisely think expressivity should be replaced by phonology here.
Arnaud
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> > creicc "buy" < kwriH2-k-
> > Greek pri-a-o (a = H2)
> Another derivative of this root is OIr. críth < PCelt. *kWri:tu-.
> ARJ.
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> Does it mean you consider this example acceptable ?
> Arnaud
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>No. What would happen with *-?t- in Celtic? OIr. -th- is from single
>PCelt. *-t-, not geminate.
>ARJ
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Maybe it does not work with -t- ?
only with -kk-
How do you reconstruct proto-Celtic for creicc ?
Is there something to account for Greek H2 > a in pria-ô
Arnaud
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> > briccus "speckled" is better compared with *bhreH2-k-
> > than with Lituanian marga.
> > Is this Pokorny's (p. 139) *bher&g^-, *bhre:g^- 'glänzen, weiS'? Or
> are you thinking of another root? What Eastern words are you hinting at?
> Anders
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>But this root is usually reconstructed with -h1-. I though your law
>only worked with one of your two h2's.
> Anders
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I consider it does not work with H1,
only when H2 precisely is glottalized (? or maybe also s.)
As regards Bereza for example < *bhrH1-g-
Can we contrast H1 and H2 in that position in Balto-Slavic ?
Arnaud
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