Re: Gemination in Celtic

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From: Anders R. Joergensen
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Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 9:57 PM
Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: [tied] Gemination in Celtic


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fournet.arnaud"
<fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:
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> My proposal is : For Celtic and Osco-Umbrian :
>
> -?-k > -kk-
> -?-t > -tt-
> -?-p > -pp-
>

Sorry for being slow, but you may have to explain the whole thing
again.
The rule works both on *-h2.1-k- and *-h2.1-g-, giving Celtic and
Osco-Umbrian -kk- (and the same for combinations with d, t and b, p)?

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Not a problem
I can restate my proposal one hundred times.

I never talked about H2-g
Maybe some inadequate examples made you think
that we were discussing that kind of examples.

Basically, my proposal is that
roots that display alternations like
Celtic and Osco-Umbrian -CC- unvoiced
LAtin -C- unvoiced
Others -g- voiced

Should be reconstructed as -?-C-
that is to say : glottal stop + unvoiced consonant.

And to be clear, I hope, I state that
in *ALL* languages H2-g- > H2-g-.

Arnaud

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How do you distinguish between h2.1 and h2.2? (or other h2's,
depending on how many you have)

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H2.1 can precisely be identified
by this property : H2.1 + unvoiced
yields divergent results
when other H2.x do not.

Arnaud
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> Eastern PIE has voiced consonants -g- -d- -b-
> when Celtic has geminates.
>
> Arnaud
>
And Latin has simple voiceless? With or without vocalic length?

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I guess long vowels like a: are better.
Arnaud
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Then why use Ir. capall ~ Lat. caballus?
Anders

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I think the latin word is a borrowing from eastern PIE.
But the Irish word is old enough
to exhibit the change ?-p- > pp.

I think this word is an eastern PIE word meaning
bad foal : ka?-pu?-l
Hence slavic kobyl- (b < ?p-)
Irish cappal (I guess the second a is irregular)

Arnaud

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