From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 56440
Date: 2008-04-02
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From: tgpedersen
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> The Grimm/Verner/Kluge complex of changes is uniquely Germanic and
> can be conveniently regarded as the defining autapomorphy of the
> group.
Nice try. Kluge does not belong there. Firstly, it's logically
detachable from Grimm/Verner, secondly, I hear that it occurs in
Celtic too, and thirdly, Kuhn was only able to find half a dozen
geminates in the Gothic Bible, so Kluge, or substrate from a
geminating language didn't happen in East Germanic. It's a NWGermanic
thing, it becomes increasing common in the North and West Germanic
languages over time, and the Chatti, a local non-Germanic, non-Celtic
tribe has geminates in the few opaque words we know of it. Everything
points to Chattic substrate.
Torsten
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Nice try as well, on your side.
The odd thing about Kluge's Law is then
that this law is discovered in Germanic
but relates in fact to a Celtic Substrate.
Your repeated assertion that Chatti are not Celtic
is unsupported.
What opaque words do we know from Chatti ?
Arnaud
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