Re: 'Vocalic Theory'

----- Original Message -----
From: "Miguel Carrasquer Vidal" <miguelc@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] RE: 'Vocalic Theory'


> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:48:05 -0500, "Patrick Ryan"
> <proto-language@...> wrote:

<snip>

> >And, if you think it is, please tell us under what circumstances it comes
> >into play - not in IIr but in PIE.
>
> In the derivation of thematic forms.
>
> Some cases of vr.ddhi are very old indeed. That explains the
> full grade in most thematic nouns, adjectives and verbs. The
> root was lengthened, the stress fell on the thematic vowel
> (e.g. **bhar- => **bha:r-á-). Subsequently, the long vowel
> was shortened in pretonic position, and attracted the stress
> (**bha:r-á- > *bhér-e-).

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Why was the root vowel lengthened?

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> The cases in which PIE still has a long vowel are more
> recent (*h2owi- => *h2o:wi-óm). That is simply because
> vr.ddhi remained a productive derivational pattern.


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So, are you saying that the addition of -*om caused the vowel to be
lengthened?

Any other examples of that?

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> >> >> I already gave a concrete example: the ah2-stem Ins.sg.
> >> >> *-ojh2ah1.
> >> >
> >> >***
> >> >
> >> >And I explained it satisfactorily.
> >>
> >> I have no recollection of that. What was your explanation?
> >>
> >
> >***
> >-y-Ha(:).
>
> That's hardly satisfactory. We have three morphemes here:
> the thematic vowel (*-o-), the feminine marker *-yeh2- ~
> *-ih2-, and the instrumental ending *-eh1. The combine as
> *-o-yh2-ah1, with colouring of the instrumental ending by
> the *h2 of the feminine.

Give a concrete example of you will.

Actually, there are four morphemes:

1) the thematic vowel;
2) *-ye, derivational
3) *-Ha, feminine
4) *-He, instrumental (really dative)

Patrick

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