> > Btw, this argument connects a Germanic word with the
> > Corded Ware culture.
> >
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/187
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corded_Ware_culture
> > What are your comments?
> >
> >
> > Torsten
>
> ****GK: Hubert has a long chapter in "Rise" on the
> position of Celtic in IE and its various connections,
> which I haven't read yet (scrolling through I see that
> he cites Meillet and d'Arbois frequently). The
> Volcae/Volsci item was from another context. If there
> is a connection between Italy's Veneti and Baltic
> Venedi (plus the Breton group?) perhaps it is very
> old. Older than the mid-millennium BCE. Hubert thinks
> that Celtic groups played a role as intermediaries in
> the amber trade from the time of their big expansion
> if not earlier, which does not mean the
> "Venetic/Venedic" role did not exist at the
> extremities. As for Corded Ware I've always thought it
> was the carrier of some rather ancient set of IE
> dialects, including whatever evolved into
> Germanic.****
> >
Then I might have something tentative here wrt your request that I
"factor up" PGermanic according to the various ethnic/cultural groups
which were components in its genesis in Przeworsk (as I see it):
The language of geminates, with cognates spread over Celtic, Germanic,
Balto-Slavic, Baltic Finnic and partially Italic
*dub-
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/46151
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/46163
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/46168
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/46169
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48662
*kat-
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/21865
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/46175
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/51045
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/55557
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/54256
further, Dutch 'kant' may mean "direction":
'die kant op': "in that direction"
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/55970
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/53805
I suspect is the language of the Corded Ware culture. I can't see
which other culture would span the area of those substrate loans. Of
course the *kat- etc root, which its cognates outside of that area is
likely to be a loan, some kind of sea-born connection to some Semitic
language?
That's one reason for the debate between advocates of a separate
substrate (myself, following Kuiper and Schrijver) and advocates of a
derivation from Kluge's rule *-T-n- > *-TT-, for any stop T (Piotr,
Miguel); with the latter point of view, there is no substrate language
to explain. As you can see, I suspect the Chatti, because of the name
to have some connection to that substrate language; note the -tt- in
the name, impossible for Celtic, Germanic and Italic, in which PIE
*-tt- > -ss- (and in the other IE families > *-st-).
Torsten