Re: Finnish KASKI

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From: jouppe
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Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:32 PM
Subject: [Courrier indésirable] [tied] Re: Finnish KASKI


I do not recognize this Finnish über alles dogma at all.
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You have alleged üli closer to Finnish
that the Hungarian UEW *wilä
Don't try to make me believe
that you are not over-finnishizing PU.
You had a neutral reconstruction
you changed it into a finnishoid word.
Arnaud
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I also agree that for some features the reconstruction of Proto-
Uralic does rely on the conservatism of Baltic-Finnic vocalism, and
true the second syllable stem-vowel is a case in point. These
considerations are however methodologically determined and subject to
objective scrutiny by the international research community as a
whole. They are no Finnish inventions.
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they are.
Cf. your Finnishoid üli
instead of neutreal wilä
Arnaud
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The idea that Finnic would have added second syllble stem vowels ad
hoc to formerly monosyllable stems seems very excentric
or "innovative" to say the least, especially considering that the
opposite development for the same time period is well documented:
Finnic made Pre-Finnic disyllabic stems monosyllabic by vowel
contraction after omission of 1) semivowels, 2) the velar nasal and
3) the laryngeal. I will not use the word pseudo-science until I hear
where Arnaud took this idea and how he argues such a development by
analogy against language universal developments?

Jouppe

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Let's take a simple example :
UEW 157 "nail"

your reconstructoid *küncî "nail"
My point of view : junk.

Samoyed points toward *k_d- as the root.
xada, koda, katu, kate, katte, kad, qati, kada, koda

Now this root is obviously suffixed by -m-
Motor : kada-m-
AND
the hungarian word köröm
which is *absurdly* forgotten in the list.
This data points toward
*kud and *kud-mi-
as pre-forms
now we can add :
Western Finno-Permic forms
which originate in *kud-mi-c^a

Hence
Finnish kynsi
Moksha kenz^ä

When the structure of the pre-form
is C_n-C, as is *kom-t "hand"
there is no more -n- in Finno-Permic

Compare :
käd < kom-t
kynsi < kud-mi-c^a

Any -n- suggests more than one syllable.

You are in the deepest dark.
Pseudo-science is not on my side.

Arnaud
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