From: george knysh
Message: 55990
Date: 2008-03-26
>http://www.electricscotland.com/history/celts/index.htm
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: george knysh
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 5:03 PM
> Subject: [tied] Volcae and Belgae
>
>
> Here's an interesting aside from Hubert's "The
> Greatness and Decline of the Celts":
>
> at
>
> click on "The Celts in the West. Germany and Gaul."*****GK: Is a "mountain-people" Belka otherwise
> p.8 of the pdf.
>
> "A passage in Ausonius [Ordo Urbium Nobilium, xiii,
> 7
> - 10: -
>
> Qua rapitur proeceps Rhodanus genitore Lemanno,
> interiusque premunt Aquitanica rura Cebennoe,
> usque in Tectosagos paganaque nomine Belcas,
> totum Narbo fuit.]
>
> enables us, to some extent, to determine the place
> held by
> the Belgæ among the other Gallic peoples. When he
> says
> that the Volcae Tectosages
> called themselves Belcae Tectosagi, the poet seems
> to
> suggest that the two names
> were closely related.
>
> [Belcæ. = Volcæ. Cf. Pauly, CCCLXVIII, iii, cols.
> 198
> - 9.]
> It is of no
> consequence whether the word is spelt Belcas or
> Belgas.
> [Pomp. Mela, 36, 57: Belcoe.]
> Their
> identity is undeniable. [See Rise, pp. 21 ff. GK:
> Hubert's earlier work] From that identity, we may
> reasonably
> suppose that this is one of those generic terms by
> which the Celts designated
> themselves. A difference in pronunciation aggravated
> by a false etymology would
> lead to the name of Belgæ being given to the folk
> north of the Main." {GK: before they crossed the
> Rhine
> in the 2nd c.BCE}
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> I will express some reservations about this.
>
> In view of :
> balk = bhergh "baux de provence"
> Cebennoe = g_wor "montain"
>
> this is an obvious devoising feature in
> this odd PIE non-celtic language
> that pervades in southern France.
>
> these people are the montain-people belka
> living the mountains Keb-ennoe
> These people are non-celtic
> although probably IE.
>
> I don't accept the fusion of
> belg/volk of southern France
> with the "Belgians"
> these people may well be Celtic
> or at least para-celtic.
>
> Arnaud
>
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