Fw: Re: [tied] hoopoe

Torsten,

just to let you know, I am aware of Pokorny's *(s)teu-p-, 'stump'. and
perhaps we are dealing with a semantically related unattested meaning of
'tuft' for it?


Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [tied] hoopoe


> Yes, Torsten, thank you.
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> It may be a better cognate for D(w)b, 'hoopoe', than *tap-.
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> I looked but could not find anything like <stuppa> in Pokorny.
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> Is it there and I missed it?
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> With Db (*Dwb), PIE *teup- would work much more satisfactorily.
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> Patrick
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> From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 3:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: [tied] hoopoe
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: tgpedersen
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>
> > wrote:
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> > > Perhaps the words for tuft of hair, pompon and tutf of
> > > tree --if they are related-- are from the word for
> > > hoopoe, which definitely has a tuft in the picture.
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> > You noticed it too? Perhaps the *dz could explain the s-mobile, st-/t-
> > alternation in stuppa/top etc:
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/54315
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> > Torsten
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> > One conspicuous feature of s-mobile,
> > is that it's about the only phoneme that
> > never assimilates :
> > s +k > s-k
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> > s + g > s-k as well
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> > My own explanation is this :
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> > LAte PIE fused *z and *dz
> > (after Salish split off)
> > or maybe *z and *dz disappeared
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> > But *ts did not fuse with *s
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> > They remained in contrast.
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> > *ts could not assimilate into *dz
> > because there was no *dz
> > *ts was *locked-in* as unvoiced.
> > Hence ts-g forced inverted assimilation
> > because *dz-g was impossible
> > (no dz in the system !)
> > Hence ts-k which surfaces as *s-k
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> > But this is maybe too early to discuss
> > because you haven't admitted *z and *dz yet.
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> > Arnaud
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