Re: hoopoe

Okay, so maybe you two are on to something. Can you
take it to AA? What do you have for "tuft" in other
Nostratic (in the broad sense) lgs? But are you seeing
the hoopoe call as fortuitous? Do all hoopoes make
that call? Excuse my ignorance of hoopoe lore or
epopology.



--- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:

> The hoopoe is used in HEg. for Db.
>
> The meaning for Db as 'hoopoe' is not recorded.
>
> I believe this Db is related to PIE *t(h)ap(h)-,
> 'tuft'.
>
> Patrick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] hoopoe
>
>
> > Perhaps the words for tuft of hair, pompon and
> tutf of
> > tree --if they are related-- are from the word for
> > hoopoe, which definitely has a tuft in the
> picture.
> >
> >
> > --- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Rick McCallister
> > > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 5:44 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [tied] hoopoe
> > >
> > >
> > > The initial /a-/ of the Spanish form is
> definitely
> > > irregular but there may have been dissimulation,
> > > which
> > > is common in Spanish, or the word may have
> passed
> > > through Mozarabic and the /*u-/ reanalized as
> Arabic
> > > al, with the -l subsequently lost. It could have
> > > been
> > > from a variant Vulgar Latin or Greek form (there
> > > were
> > > many Italian Greeks who settled in Spain). So,
> many
> > > things could have happened.
> > > The Berber word could be from North African
> Romance,
> > > or maybe not. It could be a mangled word that
> was
> > > originally onomatopoeic. BTW: do you know the
> Arabic
> > > form?
> > > =================
> > >
> > > Berber here Kabyle has
> > > ic^ibib "hoopoe"
> > > as^ebbub "(head )hair"
> > > tas^ebbubt "tree summit"
> > > tac^c^apupt "pompon"
> > >
> > > Obviously
> > > this is the same root as
> > > Arabic za?b "hair"
> > >
> > > It's interesting to contrast
> > > LAtin u(:)pupa "hoopoe"
> > > LAtin iuba "mane"
> > >
> > > Both from *dzo?p- "tuft of hair"
> > > First is WEstern PIE
> > > Second is an obvious Eastern PIE LW
> > > displaying two eastern features :
> > > dz > y
> > > ?p > b
> > >
> > > Arnaud
> > >
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