Re: hoopoe

The hoopoe is used in HEg. for Db.

The meaning for Db as 'hoopoe' is not recorded.

I believe this Db is related to PIE *t(h)ap(h)-, 'tuft'.

Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] hoopoe


> Perhaps the words for tuft of hair, pompon and tutf of
> tree --if they are related-- are from the word for
> hoopoe, which definitely has a tuft in the picture.
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> --- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
> wrote:
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rick McCallister
> > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 5:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [tied] hoopoe
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> > The initial /a-/ of the Spanish form is definitely
> > irregular but there may have been dissimulation,
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> > is common in Spanish, or the word may have passed
> > through Mozarabic and the /*u-/ reanalized as Arabic
> > al, with the -l subsequently lost. It could have
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> > from a variant Vulgar Latin or Greek form (there
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> > many Italian Greeks who settled in Spain). So, many
> > things could have happened.
> > The Berber word could be from North African Romance,
> > or maybe not. It could be a mangled word that was
> > originally onomatopoeic. BTW: do you know the Arabic
> > form?
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> > Berber here Kabyle has
> > ic^ibib "hoopoe"
> > as^ebbub "(head )hair"
> > tas^ebbubt "tree summit"
> > tac^c^apupt "pompon"
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> > this is the same root as
> > Arabic za?b "hair"
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> > It's interesting to contrast
> > LAtin u(:)pupa "hoopoe"
> > LAtin iuba "mane"
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> > Both from *dzo?p- "tuft of hair"
> > First is WEstern PIE
> > Second is an obvious Eastern PIE LW
> > displaying two eastern features :
> > dz > y
> > ?p > b
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