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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
>
> Another source:
>
> (1) The statement:
> http://www.novaesium.de/artikel/germanen3.htm
>
> What's the exact meaning of this Ament sentence: "Im
> Innern Germaniens blieben schließlich nur die aus den
> Hermunduren hervorgegangenen Thüringer ansässig." ? Is
> he for or against the identification,or is he
> waffling?
For.
"in the interior of Germania after all only the Thuringians, issued
from the Hermunduri, stayed settled"
Obviously he is not aware that Thuringia/Wetterau is Przeworsk.
> (2) The map:
> http://www.novaesium.de/graphiken/germanen_karte.htm
>
> As to the Marcomanni this map reflects both pre- and
> post-9 BCE situations. The localization of Hermunduri
> and Semnones seems based on a "down the Elbe
> sequential" interpretation of Velleius Paterculus on
> the events of 5 CE.
That thin strand painted there to underscore what the map drawer think
happened caught my eye to.
> I don't think that's right, esp.
> since the Hermunduri were already in Thuringia by then.
I agree.
BTW, I was wrong in assuming Marbod only governed the Marcomanni,
according to Strabo
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Strabo/7A*.html
perhaps Marbod's alliance is the beginning of the Suevi being a
multi-tribal alliance?
And further according to the Monumentum Ancyranum, Augustus sent a
navy to the North where Cimbri, Semnones and Charydes asked for
friendship. But according to Velleius Paterculus, the navy went up the
Elbe where it met with the army.
http://tinyurl.com/2dnrex 106
That places the Harudes and Semnones on the Elbe at that time, not
necessarily in Jutland. The Harudes in Jutland must have come later then.
Torsten