Re: Kossack's Conclusions

From: tgpedersen
Message: 55574
Date: 2008-03-20

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:
>
> At 11:32:13 AM on Thursday, March 20, 2008, tgpedersen
> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Other possible cognates:
>
> > Germanic *xanso:- "community of people" (in whichever
> > sense)
> > http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/24979
> > BTW Finnish kansa "people" is cognate to the Estonian
> > suffix -ga of the recent comitative ("with") case, cf. ON
> > hos prep. "at, chez".
>
> What ON <hos>? The O(W)N preposition is <hjá>, from *hi:wa-
> 'household, family', PIE *k^ei-wo-; OSw has <ho:s>. If I
> understand him correctly, Noreen derives it from *xanso:,
> presumably with u-umlaut from the dative/locative, something
> like *xansu > *hOns > ho:s,

U-umlaut would give /ø/, eg ørn "eagle", øl "beer", so no.

> but I've also seen a suggestion
> that it's from the 'house' word, exactly parallel to <chez>
> and very similar to <hjá>.

You're right. It's 'hos' in Danish, and the 'house' connection was the
only one I remembered, so I convinced myself the *hanso: > hos
connection was my idea.

BTW, on the subject:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/54250
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/54256
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/11660
The question is whether we're dealing with a laryngeal hardening *x- >
*k-, or whether some substrate went the more common direction *k- > *x-.


Torsten