On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:19:01 -0000, "alexandru_mg3"
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alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:
>--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
><miguelc@...> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:06:21 +0100, Piotr Gasiorowski
>> <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2008-03-13 23:33, Miguel Carrasquer Vidal wrote:
>> >
>> >> Since *-tor, *-ti and *-tu are all unstressed suffixes, and
>> >> Olsen's rules *do* apply to *-tr-ó- (*-tl-ó-) [a thematized,
>> >> and stressed, derivative of *-tor], maybe that could solve
>> >> some of the issues. *-tó- is of course inherently stressed
>> >> (and so is *-áh2-, I think, but not *-eh1-).
>> >
>> >A brilliant idea. Your own?
>>
>> I saw *-tor, *-ti and *-tu versus *-tó- (and *-tr-ó-), and
>> the thought came to me, so it's at least independently mine.
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> Miguel, before to go further, this time with a 'Miguel-Olsen'
>theory where is the accent on ph2ter/ph2te:r?
*p&2té:r, G. *p&2trés, Npl. *p&2téres.
In Olsen's formulation, the "pre-aspirating" effect of *h1
and *h2 applies only to the consonantal (non-vocalized)
allophones.
Cf. also *dhug&2té:r, with no /th/ in either Greek thugáte:r
or Skt. duhitá:. The "post-aspiration" in the latter form
(*g > *gh before *h2), suggests that this was an older
(sporadic?) phenomenon (dating to before the laryngeal was
vocalized).
The lack of pre-aspiration looks like yet another argument
in favour of root-stress in the word for "mother". Skt. has
ma:tá: against Greek mé:te:r. Both the failure of Dybo's
Italo-Celtic(-Germanic) pretonic shortening law, and the
absence of Olsen's law support PIE *méh2te:r (so would the
lack of Verner's law in Germanic, but analogical Ausgleich
has made that picture rather blurry).
We further have bhráh2te:r and *yén&2te:r, both with
root-stress. Any other kinship terms in *-h2ter-?
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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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