Re: Latin -idus as from dH- too

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From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
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Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Latin -idus as from dH- too


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> From: Patrick Ryan
> *H1 is most likely a result of former *?.
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> I restate that H1 is an unvoiced pharyngeal
> (or unvoiced velar spirant)
> Arnaud

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A glottal stop is the phone that behaves normally in the way that *H1 is
supposed.

Actually, there is only *H.


Patrick

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> There is simply no credible phonological rationale for contact with [?]
> _voicing_ a voiceless stop, let alone spirantizing it.
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> It happens all the time with eastern and central PIE.
> Glottal stop (H2) + C > voiced C.
> Arnaud

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How about a couple of examples of that.


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> Secondly, the PIE stative suffix cannot be *-eH1 because any PIE morpheme
> _must_ begin with a consonant. PIE has no *VC morpheme.
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> Absurd.
> Arnaud

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Your problem, not mine.


Patrick

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> > What Olsen actually says is that -idus comes from *-eh1-tos
> > (> *-ethos > -idus), where *-eh1- is the stative suffix. For
> > instance cale:re "to be warm" => calidus.
> >Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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> the -d- in the medio-passive adjectives in LAtin
> is from -t?-
> It has nothing to do with -t-o or -dh_H1
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> I don't believe in the laryngeal jump-over H-T > T-H
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> Arnaud

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Well, for once I can agree.

Olsen is Rasmussen's wife; R. has proposed an *o-infix for PIE.

Just your cup of tea.


Patrick
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