Re: Grimm shift as starting point of "Germanic"

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 55044
Date: 2008-03-11

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From: tgpedersen

On account of that you know nothing about it except what I told you
decided it was Celtic?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordwestblock
This statement
"However, most linguistic features forwarded to sustain a separate
Indo-European language, including tribenames like "Belgian", could be
derived from both proto-Germanic and proto-Celtic"
is false. One of the features by which one might distinguish NWBlock
substrate words or place names is initial p-. The nice thing about
this criterion is that those words can neither be Germanic (initial p-
must be from PIE b-, but PIE b- is virtually non-existent) nor Celtic
(initial p- is lost in Celtic, as you of course knew?).

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This argument is particularly superficial.

(I was about to write stupid,
but I refrained from it)

Celtic recreated *p out of *kw
which is frequent.
Cf. your suggestion that
Dutch *pir "worm" is NWB
obviously from PIE *kwer > Celtic *per
River weib out of wegw.

What other NWB words with *p
do you have ?

Arnaud

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