Re: Grimm shift as starting point of "Germanic"

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 55023
Date: 2008-03-11

From: tgpedersen
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> There is also a more complex possibility
> that there is actually a substrate
> (which I think is Celtic)

You like to think that, don't you? Louis XIV (the guy who made you
French) had an army of lawyers who whenever some German local
potentate died could prove that Louis had a hereditary territorial
claim on his property. Of course, if they could have proved instead
(but that wasn't fashionable yet) that his Germanic neighbors spoke
some type of Celtic then those neighbors would have actually been
French without realizing it and only had to be persuaded with love and
armies that this was so. It would have been so much easier.
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What is the relevance of this ?
When it comes to Celtic and NWB,
please explain.

As regards NWB, I knew little about it
before you provide information.
On account of which,
I see no reason to invent extra languages,
I think this NWB is Celtic.
(And I have no particular territorial claim)

Arnaud
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> and that Germanic borrowed words with geminates
> because it also had created other words with geminates
> on its own.
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> Arnaud
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That's complex all right. Germanic had created some words with
geminates and therefore they decided to borrow some words with
geminates from a substrate?
Erh, what?
Torsten

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Maybe you prefer a more Torstenesque scenario :
Some words were brought from Africa by
pseudo Atlantico-Semiticoid people
who settled on the Island of Man,
After that they moved to the continent
because the weather is too rainy up there,
and became the language of geminates,
Because they got a cold, and had got a twang,
they had plenty of nasals to apply Kluge's law.
It's less complex that my approach, I guess.
Which one do you prefer ?
Arnaud
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