Re: Post-Postscript on Przeworsk

From: tgpedersen
Message: 54993
Date: 2008-03-10

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
>
> In case there is desire to continue flogging this.
>
> As mentioned, the current standard opus on the P.
> culture is Dombrowska's 1988 publication. Subsequent
> studies have merely confirmed and polished (no pun)
> her findings.
> There is a brief summary in M.B.Shchukin's "Na rubezhe
> er", pp. 101-107(Saint Petersburg 1994), and a lucid
> little paragraph in his important study (in Russian)
> "The birth of the Slavs" (available on-line)[see
> http://www.krotov.info/history/09/schukin.html%5d. Here
> is an ad hoc translation of the latter:
>
> "There was no direct sequence of Przeworsk from the
> Pomeranian culture... The ceramic of the Pomeranian
> culture occasionally appears once more in Przeworsk
> complexes, but not in the early phase of [Przeworsk]
> development, only subsequently, after one or two
> generations...The process of the emergence of the new
> Przeworsk community on the territory of today's Poland
> was complex. It included, beside the weak
> manifestation of a Pomeranian continuity, an active
> influx of carriers of the Yastorf culture
> (particularly its Gubin group from the Oder-Neiss
> interriver region), of Celts from Silesia, and,
> perhaps, of migrants from Bornholm and other islands
> of the Baltic." Shchukin makes an interesting point
> about this Yastorf "Gubin group". It was formed as a
> result of the fusion (his term) of an earlier Yastorf
> incursion which assimilated the local Pomeranian
> culture carriers. The "complexity" of Przeworsk was
> also due to the Yastorf element being both of the
> "Gubin" type (mostly) and of more northwesterly
> Yastorf elements. The presence of both Yastorf as such
> and "Gubin Yastorf" is mentioned by Shchukin in
> connection with the creation of the Zarubyntsi and
> Poeneshti-Lukashovka cultures. Gubin Yastorf emerged
> in the 4th c. BCE. Przeworsk, Zarubyntsi,
> P.-Lukashovka, Oksywie all arose in the course of the
> 3rd c. BCE All of them "Latenized" cultures.****

If you had taken the time to search the archives, you would have found
with 'Gubin':
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/50599
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/50154
but in the reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_Poland_(until_966)
the text I quote has been excised, with no comment on the discussion page.

In other words, that fatal variable in archaeology, direction, has not
been settled. Some claim Gubin/Wetterau was settled from Przeworsk,
not the other way around. Which makes one wonder, what evidence does
Shchukin have of the direction of the Przeworsk/Jastorf influence?



Torsten