Re: Jupiter

You are completely right, Joao.

What some whose only source of information is Wikipedia do not seem to
understand is that myths, however intrinsically fascinating, do not affect
cult and cultural significance except very marginally.

For the very shallow, myths are religion.

The sky/weather god, who is usually associated with the planet Jupiter,
represents Dumézil's tripartite sovereignty ——— not warriordom as one list
writer ignorantly opined.

One feature of ancient religion that Dumézil missed, and I also did for a
long time, is that the sovereign god is _not_ the creator god, which strikes
most of us, who have been brought up in Christian culture as passing
strange.

And what I missed altogether for many years is the connection of this
creator god, who precedes all others, with the North Pole, and the Northern
Circumpolar Region in general; and with time.

Strangely, this creator god has been eclipsed by his sons and daughters in
almost all religions with the notable exception of Judaism, where Yahweh,
who is an indelicately mixed bag of attributes, still _invisibly_ represents
him.

Any of the gods and goddesses could fight and enter human conflicts but the
war-god, in addition to his martial arts, is usually regarded with more fear
than admiration because of his manic rage, during the passage of which even
the family pets are not safe. This god, not surprisingly, is associated with
intoxicants of all kinds. Berserker rage was an artificially encouraged if
not initiated condition.

The only thing I would question in your factual presentation below is adding
So:te:r to Jupiter's nomenclature. This is, of course, Greek; and savior in
the commonly understood sense, is not one of Jupiter's usual functions.

Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 6:30 AM
Subject: Res: [tied] Jupiter

Before the Greek influence, Iupiter was very similar to Zeus, due his common
IE source (Dyeus=Zeus=Jupiter) and previous Greek influence in Etruscan
mythology (Tinia=Zeus). The main influence of Greeks in Jupiter was that
Roman Jupiter absorbed all myths from Greek Zeus, his children, genealogy,
and tales. Roman Iupiter was not son of Saturn before being assimilated to
Zeus son Kronos.

----- Mensagem original ----
De: Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>
Para: Cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Quinta-feira, 6 de Março de 2008 21:15:15
Assunto: [tied] Jupiter

Here's what Wikipedia has to say (1st section)
Note that Jupiter held the same role as Zeus --i.e.
Jupiter had been assimilated to Zeus. Note the Greek
title Soter. This is, of course, after the Romans had
assimilated much of Greek culture.

In Roman mythology, Jupiter (Iuppiter in Latin) held
the same role as Zeus in the Greek pantheon. He was
called Juppiter Optimus Maximus Soter (Jupiter Best,
Greatest, Saviour); as the patron deity of the Roman
state, he ruled over laws and social order. He was the
chief god of the Capitoline Triad, with Juno and
Minerva. In Latin mythology Jupiter is the father of
Mars. Therefore, Jupiter is the grandfather of Romulus
and Remus, the founders of Rome.
Iuppiter, originating in a vocative compound derived
from archaic Latin Iovis and pater (Latin for father),
was also used as the nominative case. Jove[1] is a
less common English formation based on Iov-, the stem
of oblique cases of the Latin name. Additionally,
linguistic studies identify his name as deriving from
the Indo-European compound *dyēus- pəter-
("O Father God"), the Indo-European deity from whom
also derive the Germanic *Tiwaz (from whose name comes
the word Tuesday), the Greek Zeus, and the Vedic
equivalent, Dyaus Pita.

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