Re: HERG / HEARG : BEOWULF'S SACRED GROVE & C. ARABIC "HRG"

I think the better bet is PIE *k(h)^er-, 'grow', which has *k(h)^ers-,
'millet'.

I have added the (h).

Patrick

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Subject: [tied] RE: HERG / HEARG : BEOWULF'S SACRED GROVE & C. ARABIC
"HRG" - ( RESPONSE-1)

Ishinan wrote:

ETYMOLOGY:

Herg, hearg: A grove, a heathen place of worship. Icel. hörgr, OHG. harug,
haruc, haruch.

COMPARE WITH

Classical Arabic Hrg (Ha' + ra' +djym): a wood or collection of trees so
called because of their closeness, or dense tangled trees which the
pasturing animals cannot reach. From a trilateral root "Hrg" with a base
meaning: became collected together, became close, strait or narrow.

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Richard McCallister commented:

Talk to Theo Venemann, he might see it as a loan from his Atlantic/Semitidic
AA. True, but I think it's more likely related to the root of Latin carcer
which comes from a word meaning lattice, enclosure, etc.

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Ishinan's response:

I am taking the liberty of posting the definition of the Latin term "carcer"
which you offered as a cognate for the OE. Herg/hearg meaning a grove, a
place of worshipping:

To view the Latin definition of "carcer" click below:

http://www.theegyptianchronicles.com/ANEW/CARCER.html

carcer: 1 jail, prison, b (menton) the occupants of the prison; (in voc.)
jail bird.

2 (transf.):a. The cave or dungeon in which Aelus kept the winds. b. The
underworld (esp. as a place of punishment c. a cage for birds or beasts; a
trap for catching them. d. the body regarded as imprisoning the spirit (of
var. other things regarded as having the characteristics of a prison).

3 (usu. pl. or port . sg.) the barriers at the beginning of a race-course,
the starting point of the course, 'traps' b (in var. fig. phr.)

carcerarius ~ a ~ um, a [prec.+arius] of or connected with a prison.

Conclusion: Where do you see the sense of a "grove" in the above Latin
definition of "carcer" which refers to a prison?

http://www.theegyptianchronicles.com/ANEW/CARCER.html

Ishinan

Re: HERG / HEARG : BEOWULF'S SACRED GROVE & C. ARABIC "HRG" - ( RES