Re: HERG / HEARG : BEOWULF'S SACRED GROVE & C. ARABIC "HRG" - ( RES

From: The Egyptian Chronicles
Message: 54519
Date: 2008-03-02

Ishinan wrote:
 
ETYMOLOGY:
 
Herg, hearg: A grove, a heathen place of worship. Icel. hörgr,  OHG. harug, haruc, haruch.
 
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Classical Arabic Hrg (Ha' + ra' +djym): a wood or collection of trees so called because of their closeness, or dense tangled trees which the pasturing animals cannot reach. From a trilateral root "Hrg" with a base meaning: became collected together, became close, strait or narrow.
 
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Richard McCallister commented:
 

Talk to Theo Venemann, he might see it as a loan from his Atlantic/Semitidic AA. True, but I think it's more likely related to the root of Latin carcer which comes from a word meaning lattice, enclosure, etc.
 
 
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Ishinan's  response:
 

I am taking the liberty of posting the definition of the Latin term "carcer" which you offered as a cognate for the OE. Herg/hearg meaning a grove, a place of worshipping:
 
To view the Latin definition of "carcer" click below:
 
http://www.theegyptianchronicles.com/ANEW/CARCER.html
 

carcer: 1 jail, prison, b (menton) the occupants of the prison; (in voc.) jail bird.
 
2 (transf.):a. The cave or dungeon in which Aelus kept the winds. b. The underworld (esp. as a place of punishment c. a cage for birds or beasts; a trap for catching them. d. the body regarded as imprisoning the spirit (of var. other things regarded as having the characteristics of a prison).
 
3 (usu. pl. or port . sg.) the barriers at the beginning of a race-course, the starting point of the course, 'traps' b (in var. fig. phr.)
 
carcerarius  ~ a ~ um, a [prec.+arius] of or connected with a prison.
 
 

Conclusion: Where do you see the sense of a "grove" in the above Latin definition of "carcer" which refers to a prison?
 
http://www.theegyptianchronicles.com/ANEW/CARCER.html
 
Ishinan