Re: PIE meaning of the Germanic dental preterit

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@>
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> > From: "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
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> > > Marius
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> > All the Baltic derived words for /fear/ (nouns or adjectives)
> > are 'derivations' from *bHoih- - the verbal root
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> > ***
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> > in what language???
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> > Why do you persist in writing *bhoiH-?
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> > The PIE root is *bho:(H)i-.
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> > If you are claiming that a Baltic root had the form *bho:iH-,

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> > metathesis of the 'laryngeal', state this once and for all.
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> > Please answer this question and stop dodging the issue.
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> > ****
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> > *bHoih-m-
> > *bHoih-u-
> > *bHih-eh2-
> > *bHoih-l-
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> > there is even an extension from dH-
> > *bHoih-dH-s
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> > So I don't see how baidyti can be *<Noun>-dHh1-
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> > Marius
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> > ***
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> > So what?
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> > Formants are regularly added to verbal roots to produce nouns and
> > adjectives.
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> > Explain in detail, if you will, why that has anything at all to

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> > analysis of
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> > bai-dy-ti.
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> > Patrick
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> Patrick is you that told me that we have here Noun+dHeh1
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> 'put heart into' and 'put fear into' are your words
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> If so, what is the noun in baidyti and based on what?
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> If you have changed you mind then Ok.
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> Marius
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> The noun is *bh&i-.
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> Patrick
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1. bH_h_i is not a noun is a nil-grade of a verbal root
2. Next bH_h_i is an impossible cluster in PIE in such situation the
laryngeal metathesis appeared *bHih- (there is a very good article of
Matassovic about PIE syllabification having some very good examples,
if I could find it again on the net I will indicate you the link)
3. ...and the noun appeared as *bHih-eh2- (as an example) 'the fear'
(see Derksen on Leiden)

Marius