Re: PIE meaning of the Germanic dental preterit

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--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
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> Subject: Re: [tied] PIE meaning of the Germanic dental preterit
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@>
> wrote:
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> > Marius, you have a serious misunderstanding of compound structure
> in PIE.
> >
> > It is a phrase, 'put fear into' = 'scare' in _exactly_ the same
> pattern as
> > 'put heart into' = 'trust'.
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> > Normally, the nominal element comes first, then the verbal
element.
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> From where you arrive to a Noun when we have Only the Root for
the
> Stem?
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> So I didn't agree here:
> bHoih- in baidyti is Only a Root-Stem and the Root basically
> indicates the Verb not the Noun => so is not Noun+Verb => is
> Verb+<dheh1> (in baidyti I mean)
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> <Noun + dheh1-> gave Noun in PIE
> <Verb + dheh1-> gave Verb in PIE
> etc...
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> I analyze the pattern found in *k^red-dhe:- as Noun + Verb. Do you
not?
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> Root-Stem? How about Root Noun? I presume you know of them.
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> Patrick
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> ***

Patrick, I avoid to give *k^red-dHe:- as reference for a verbal
formation (even is well known in comparison with some others) because
its formation is at least for me, 'not clear enough' : 2 full vowels,
a possible original noun *k^red-dh-eh2 'trust' cannot be excluded,
etc... ) => maybe somebody else here can explain better this formation
Of course 'to place trust' sound so nice as in an American Movie...

But 'the fear' (-> the Noun) was *bHoih-u-, an u-stem, so I'm quite
confident that baidyti < *bHoih-dHh1- is a verbal-construction

Marius

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What you avoid is to acknowledge that *k^red-dhe:- is NOUN+VERB.

Why?????????

Perhaps if you represented the root correctly, some of your confusion might
resolve itself:

it is *bho:(H)i-.

As far as *bhoHi-u- being, the noun, you need better reference books:

where is the -*u- in Old Indian bhi:-H, 'fear'.

That you should assert so confidently that the noun is a -*u-stem, I find
irrepsonsible and borderline dishonest.

If you have to maintain your argument with such "argument", you can discuss
this with yourself.


Patrick