From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 53916
Date: 2008-02-21
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKI
> To me, knot and father have the same vowel /a/
>
>
> --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
>
> > All true.
> >
> > But someone who uses /a/ instead of /aw/ for <Sean>
> > will be misleading a lot
> > of people.
> >
> > I have no objection to using <a> for <o> (<knot>) or
> > <a> for <æ> (<gnat>)
> > but what symbol should be reserved for central /a/
> > in <father>? It used to
> > be <ä>.
> >
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
> > To: "Patrick Ryan" <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:22 PM
> > Subject: Re[2]: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKI
> >
> >
> > > At 7:27:10 PM on Wednesday, February 20, 2008,
> > Patrick Ryan
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jouppe, you are confusing me.
> > >
> > > > Sorry to be dogmatic, but the tongue is in the
> > central
> > > > position of the mouth when [a] in father is
> > pronounced or
> > > > it is not.
> > >
> > > For a particular speaker. I've heard native
> > speakers of
> > > U.S. varieties who use a front [a] in <father>,
> > and others
> > > who use a back [A], though the most common
> > realization of
> > > /a/ is neither front nor back. (I don't like to
> > use
> > > 'central' in this context, since I usually use it
> > to mean
> > > 'not front, not back, not high, and not low'.)
> > >
> > > There's certainly no reason that /a/ can't be a
> > back vowel:
> > > OE /a/ seems to have been a back vowel, for
> > instance, the
> > > low front vowel being /æ/.
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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