From: Rick McCallister
Message: 53842
Date: 2008-02-21
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> > 3) What is the evidence that these two words were
> borrowed from just
> > Germanic and no other language?
> >
>
> Now for the "ash" word:
>
> This is what Jouppe has:
> "
> Fi. kaski 'burnt-over clearing' < PreF
> *kaski / *kaśki
> Sw. aska 'ashes' < ↑ PIE/PreG
> *ħæsk'- > Gmc. *askōn 'ashes'
>
> Møller (Vi-sW) has:
> (as)g^h-n-, got. azgo: :
> (as)k^-n-, ahd. an. aska 'cinis', s. k^-n- 'cinis'.
>
> ...
> k^-n- (< voridg. k^-n-) 'cinis' in
> germ. ask-n-, Nom. an. ahd. aska 'Asche'
> (as-, in an. o,s-gru:a 'das aschgraue' (vgl. Noreen
> Lautl. 35),
> Reduktion von
> a:s- in
> sanskr. á:sa- 'Asche', lat. a:reo 'bin trocken');
>
> + y- s. k^-ny-
> [: idg. ĝh-n- (< voridg. K.^-n-) in
> asgh-n-, got. azgo:- 'Asche';
> dieses g^h-n- = semit. s.-n- in arab. s.anan
> 'cinis', s. k^-ny-].
>
> ...
> k-ny- 'Asche' (< voridg. intr. k^ánay-,
> < k^-n- [: ĝh-n-], s. d., + y-),
> gr. konía:, koníe: 'Staub, Asche', kónis 'Asche,
> Staub',
>
> + s- in lat. cinis (cinerēs) 'Asche',
>
> : semit. s.-n-y- (< vorsemit. K.^-n-y- = K.^-n-
> [= idg. g^h-n-, s. d.]
>
> + y- in arab. s.anan (-an < -a:n < -ayuN) 'cinis'.
> "
>
> In other words, a composite *xas-k^n-. As for the
> laryngeal, LIV
> posits *h2éh1-s- and quotes Hittite has(s)- "Asche"
> and (derived)
> ha:ssa-/hassa: "Herd".
>
>
> How come this one also 1) has a 'Møller-cognate' in
> Semitic, 2) has
> a/a: in Germanic and Italic?
>
>
> BTW, there are similar problems with the supposed
> Latin loans in
> Basque, which Trask was so dismissive of
> alternatives to: many of them
> also have suspect PIE etymologies.
>
>
> Torsten
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