Re: Re[4]: [tied] Re: *a/*a: ablaut

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:01:20 +0100, "fournet.arnaud"
<fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

>How many words like *ye:kwr exist ?
>
>A number: *yé:kWr.(t), *yikWnós (*yékWnos) (*lé:pr.(t),
>*lipnós) "liver" [Skt. yá:kr.t, yáknas], *pé:r(r), *pr.nés
>"house" [Hitt. pi:r, parnas], *k^é:rd, *k^r.dés "heart"
>[Hitt. kir, [kardiyas]; Arm sirt], *d(h)é:g^ho:m,
>*d(h)g^hmós, coll. *d(h)g^hó:m "earth" [Hitt. te:kan,
>tagnas], perhaps *g^hwé:r "wild animal" [Grk. thé:r, Lith
>z^ve:rís], etc.
>
>==========
>None of these has a long vowel in Latin.
>Including humus short.
>Something I rate as highly disturbing.
>And It would not rely on Anatolian
>which is fairly obscure
>to project e: into PIE
>
>What is the reason Hittite i or e
>should be read as long ?

The plene spelling.

Anyway, the length of /e:/ in Hittite is irrelevant (all
short /e/'s are lengthened when stressed in Hittite). What
matters is the Ablaut /e:/ ~ /0/. In a word like *k^é:rd,
*k^r.d-', the evidence supports that overwhelmingly. We have
*/e:/ in Armenian sirt, Greek kê:r, Old Prussian seyr,
Hittite ki:r and Skt. ha:rdi; and we have zero grade in
Greek kardía, Latin cor, OIrish cride, Lithuanian s^irdis,
OCS sIrdIce, Hittite kardiyas and Sanskrit hr.d-.

>As regards the word house
>Egyptian has short *e = PAA *a
>in *paruw "house"

PAA /r/ gives Egyptian /3/, Egyptian /r/ comes from /l/, so
there can be no connection with Anatolian *pé:r, *pr.nás
(Pre-PIE **pí:r-an).


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